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As my profile says, I am an enthusiastic mother of 2 budding violinists. My son has started on Carl Flesch scales system. May I know how is the Carl Flesch scale system usually taught? Do you typically go down the pages, ie finish C major, followed by A minor, etc.. I hope my questions do not sound too silly, I wish there are more discussions about parenting and guiding young budding violinists.
Also, I've found that the G-major is a more frequent and much easier starting point. The rhythms might be easier with C-major, but rhythm isn't always necessary for scale work. Each teacher does it their own way, though, so his might have another way of teaching the material. I've been teaching out of Carl Flesch for many years my students first learn the Hrimaly scales. Unless a student is extremely talented, I only have them do certain parts of the scales--never the whole thing.
There is too much technique. I start them with the s , and only on the first 2 bars of each. There are so many issues of shifting and hand position that any more is overwhelming.
I also vary that with the 3-octave scale and arppeggios major and minor , and gradually add in the broken thirds and chromatics. All the other sections are great when they get older, but I'd rather do more with less in the beginning until they get the hang of the basics.
Just like Scott Cole teaches, I was taught the Flesch scale system in small doses at first, beginning with numbers 1 through 5, and with the easier keys -- g, a, b flat, c, and later d, e, f. B flat major is special, because it is the first that has the standard fingering in the three octaves scale.
Each exercise is a subject in itself, and probably many will take a long time to perfect. The tenths and the double artificial harmonics have large stretches, which may be unsafe to practice without guidance from a teacher. So, to your question of how long it will take to master all the exercises in the Flesch scale system, the answer would be "years", "life", or "never".
I still hope it's "life" in my case. Bart, I like your answer of "years", "life" and "never". Oh, so there are easier keys to start off with other than C major We have 5 mths ago moved to USA, so now we have to switch to a new teacher, and a new teaching method. To be honest, I think our teacher is pretty ambitious.. He starts with C major, with the single octaves eveything, arpeggios, dim sevenths, dominant sevenths, broken thirds, chromatic , followed by 3 octaves everthing, now my son is in the middle of the double stop thirds.
To be fair, he advocates a pretty fair share of bowing exercises and finger exercises as well. My other son is 4 started playing at 3 , and has started on Carl Flesch scales as well. He is still with no. I agree, it is indeed very overwhelming, esp for my 4 yo. My 6 yo learns the piano as well, so lot of the theory behind it is much more comprehensable, I guess.. After about seven years of playing and quite a few months of Sevcik Op. Generally, You might change the key once a month with you start Flesch, just so you can get used to it, and slowly start switching keys more frequently, to about once a week.
Flesch advocates the switching of keys every single day, but that is impractical unless you have the technique to play the entire scale through without having to work on much so your intonation would be very good, your bow controlled, and clean shifts. I've also found that octaves are good for starting out in the double stop scales. This helps set up the frame of the hand, and it is fairly obvious if the octaves are in tune or not.
I still use it. The best way to use it is to play slowly I've done it myself This is the weirdest hobby I've ever had. Thks again for all replies. Yes, Charlie, it is a lot for my 6 year old. Guess what the teacher told us at the first lesson - Aim to finish this book at age 9. I looked at the book and gasped!!! Yes, Jack, he currently does no. He has absolute perfect pitch haha I tested him on the website listed on another thread , so he plays his 3 octaves arpeggios faster than I could say "Make sure you have the correct finger structure!
The only way is to set a metronome. Yes, Laurie, my younger boy is 4 yr 8 mths old. He is now with C-F-Ab on G string number1. It is a lot for him to remember, shifting, positions, finger shapes, bow location, etc. But he is coping well. Well, good thing is that he is not a beginner. He was with a quasi-suzuki way of teaching before and he was already playing Vivaldi 6 mths back. But with this new teacher, we have to re-wire a lot of things can no longer play by ear!
Though the following does not deal with parenting issues, it is still very useful in terms of giving you and your children valuable knowledge about the mechanics of violin playing and, as such, can help them avoid physical injury and stress.
I will definitely take a look at the book "How Muscles Learn". Thks again. You can train a child to do anything, but development takes time. Some don't know the difference. Hopefully your teacher does. He is also working on Kayser etudes. Yes, our teacher is pushing it a little, but we'll see how far it goes. I know plenty of people with "perfect pitch" that can hear but can't play in tune Shar Music.
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